>> i think the obama administration, from the beginning, joe, has been making what i call a cosmic bet that islamists, people in parties like the muslim brotherhood, if they experience governing, if they get elected and are responsible for the growth of the economy, the welfare of the people, will bend and will become more responsible parties and then we'll have a peculiros where egypt looks more like turkey. >> but david, that's obviously not the case. what's the difference between supporting a dictator in egypt named morsi versus supporting a dictator in egypt named mubarak? >> well, you got it. there isn't much difference. i would say that morsi has been elected by the egyptian people in what most observers think were democratic elections, and more to the point, morsi is a product of a revolution that caught up all egyptians. this has been a couple years of real change there. so morsi carries the hopes of those people. it's just that he's -- you know, it's gone to his head. he's on a power trip, i think, and it's time for the tous just s u.s. to just say that flat out. >> jon meacha